And both agree they do not believe they need the help of the "Rooney Rule" in order to progress in their coaching careers.
In England it is widely regarded that a player, coach or manager is choosen because of their ability ... not the colour of their skin.
The practice has been introduced in the United States to ensure black coaches are interviewed for key NFL roles.
It has been suggested a similar system could be adopted in English football.
A recent report said one in five professional coaches in English football should be from black and ethnic minority (BME) backgrounds by 2020.
Kieron Dyer (talking to the Daily Telegraph): "I don't want to be interviewed because it's filling a quota".
Titus Bramble: "The rule is a disgrace."
I can remember back in 1985 Newcastle manager Jack Charlton saying "we need a black player at this club" and he signed Tony Cunningham.
The emphasis was put on the term "black player" and that added insult to injury.
Cunningham never made it big at St James' Park, and that in itself asked questions about why he was brougt to the club.